Meetup 20150727

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Meetup 20150727

  • In attendance: Jmabel, Peaceray, Brianhe
  • Topic: revitalizing and reinvigorating WikiProject Seattle
  • Note taker: Brianhe

Seattle article priorities

Seattle article task list is a mishmash. Blue links mixed with red links, organized topically and not prioritized. How do we approach this problem?

  • Use pageviews for bluelinks
  • Use inlinks for redlinks
  • Override for special topics we want to develop
    • E.g. dearth of articles on prominent Native Americans
  • And of course we still should try to be supportive of anything someone wants to work on

New users

How to attract, retain editors?

  • Are competing apps and other net diversions a threat to WP?
  • What about post-literacy
  • WP is somewhat hostile to images and media alternatives

Onboarding more experts

Train the trainer : librarians

  • Municipal archives as a fill-in for missing historical photos after 1923 but before widespread digital photography
  • Remember to talk to community colleges esp. Bellevue College, going soon to 4-year model

Improving media

Missing Seattle pictures

  • Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Seattle, Washington
    • Not quite as useful as one might hope: a quick assay of topics I was familiar with found a lot of these on articles that had at least one perfectly good photo and gave no indication of what else they'd want. So if this is to be useful, we'd first need to go through and bring this up to date. Also, the current mechanism doesn't tie into any way to say what is wanted. - Jmabel (talk) 14:18, 30 July 2015 (PDT)
      • Oh, right, that is probably because nobody removed the image wanted parameter from the WikiProject template after the image got placed. Yeah, maybe that is an afternoon's project for me. Peaceray (talk) 23:32, 30 July 2015 (PDT)
        • Well, that's taking a lot longer than I thought, mostly because I cannot help but to do some WikiGnome work as I go along. As of today, I have made it through the #'s & the A's. I estimate that I removed about 20% of the |needs-photo=Yes from {{WikiProject United States}} (most of the removed ones have logos appropriate for the article, some had a photo). Peaceray (talk) 21:54, 6 August 2015 (PDT)
Status of Peaceray's review of the
Wikipedia requested photographs in Seattle, Washington category
Letter / # #'s A B C D E F G H I C K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
Status C C C C C C C C I -
C = Complete, I = In progress, "-" = nothing in this group, blank = not yet started
This table last altered on 18:08, 16 August 2015 (PDT).
  • The "needs-photo" param for WPUS isn't consistently used
  • Lots of missing stuff; needs cataloging
  • Need to priotitize
  • How to communicate to willing photographers
  • Offer bounty?
  • Pros and cons of easier integration with cellphone
    • would a big bucket of untagged contributions help or hurt?
    • would accepting only geotagged images help?
    • lots of users have "buyers remorse" -- don't understand licensing
    • Flickr as alternative
      • With public visibility, a tag to draw our attention, and appropriate licensing on Flickr (cc-pd, cc-by, or cc-by-sa) it is easy for us to bring in images from Flickr with flickr2commons. Again, this is a way a more experienced user can review before bringing into Wikipedia or Commons, preventing frustrating deletions (worst case, it stays on your Flickr stream).
      • Alternative to a tag would be a Flickr group people could put their pictures in to say, in effect, "please grab these for Commons/Wikipedia".
      • Either of these might be a good idea far more broadly than Cascadia.
    • Possibly something to make it easier to upload photos directly? Maybe an app that would include tagging in some way that would mark them for review so we don't need to worry as much about newbies getting everything right?

Beyond text

Beyond text; beyond replacing printed book experience

What form would a geocentric experience take? Google earth-like view? Augmented reality? What could be done with current handheld devices? "Near me" feature in mobile WP web site is a start.

Making Seattle info more accessible

  • Augmented reality app
  • QR tagging a la Monmouth
  • Cooperate with Port of Seattle zz airport, cruise ship terminal
    • Concentrating on tourism-heavy areas like Seattle waterfront: inquisitive people with digital means to reach info

Is there something we might do to propose a prototype multimedia, location-aware form of Wikipedia & use Seattle area as prototype? Would that have grant potential?

Project brainstorming

Seattle-specific projects

  • Streets: we have no systematic exploration of a street like NYC has done
  • Streetcar lines
  • Electrification and streetcars affected growth of the city & suburbs
    • Different downtown patterns on the Eastside (Kirkland vs Bellevue)
    • Kirkland started out as the industrial town way before the rest of Eastside
    • historic installations like Snoqualmie and Georgetown power plants
  • Public clock poles
  • Seattle in Seattle (chief Sealth monuments, portraits, busts...)
  • A few Joe mentioned out of the long list at wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Seattle
    • Paul Dorpat
    • Kay Bullitt
  • Links to panoramas from various points
  • Labor history
  • Seattle, Romania, Sam Hill, WWI
    • Side conversation on Ansel Adams vs William Mortensen:[1] upshot, we will not all agree on what makes great or even appropriate photography

Comment from Another Believer: I am willing to put together a list of outdoor sculptures in Seattle, based on the Smithsonian Institution's 'Save Outdoor Sculpture!' program. I've done the same for Oregon and find it very helpful. I'm not sure if others have an interest in public art and sculpture or not, but at least if someone finds the list and is interested, they have a place to start and can see which Wikipedia articles are missing. -Another Believer (talk) 15:26, 10 August 2015 (PDT)


  1. The Photographer Who Ansel Adams Called the Anti-Christ, Smithsonian, December 2014

Managing internal project work

  • Streamlining payment system for work
  • Is there a micropayment system that would work for us?
  • Workflow management has to be considered
  • Need something lightweight vs big, formal grants
  • Fiverr style help with organizing lists, collecting data on gaps in coverage
  • Co-opt the paid editors for a good cause
  • How to fight perception "this only encourages them"

Content creation

Content creation -- text and media

  • What are barriers to entry?
  • How to reduce hostility to new editors
  • How to at least socialize use of "under construction" to prevent early deletion
    • especially during editathon
  • Experts (well educated) have unique problems
  • Does teaming/mentoring work better with local, F2F person maybe than central helpdesk
  • We have had good and bad experiences with Teahouse and EAR
  • How can "Cascadia core" people become a known & reachable resource for new creators?